WOW!

[Bodhisatva]

We stole the best defensive player in this draft!

Now, how in the hell did Dorsey fall to five?

I almost want to see us grab Derrick Harvey at DE... almost.

We may not need to trade up for a Clady, Otah or Albert now...

[Bodhisatva]

And there is Albert....

Thus far, very impressed. Curious to see where they go in round 2.

[Bodhisatva]

Brandon Flowers on the roster now. I would LOVE to see them trade off two third rounds and maybe a fifth or sixth to steal Desean Jackson now.

[Phog]

Okay, I have kept up a bit with the draft and the first pick was basically a no brainer. With Dorsey still there you kind of had to take him but remember, there is usually a reason why a DT that is supposed to be as good as he is is still available at #5. He is not as big as a normal NFL DT is nowadays. Hope it works.

What did we do with the second pick? Take an OG that will likely be used as a tackle! I looked at his profile on espn. Why are we going to use a converted OG when we NEED legitimate Tackles?!!!! Go back to my postings about Carl vs money for good players at their positions.

Our later picks are typical Herm/Carl. Hype them up as special teams players and hope they pan out. We needed solid offensive line help. We got another forgettable RB and a TE that you know is going to basically be a down lineman for blocking. A second tier CB is in there too. Does this surprise anyone who has payed attention to this dynamic duo? Again I will say I'm sorry to be so negative but why in thunder didn't they make a deal and trade some of our extra picks for a third rounder to get another O lineman that will amount to something? How about the same trade to get a decent DE since they seem to be in 1970's defense mode?  Get ready folks. Your 4-12 Chefs will be handily followed up the next year with either the 6-10 or 8-8 Chefs. Just my honest opinion. Maybe they could have been real smart and taken a kicker.

[bshaw16]

Yeah I agree I am kinda in shock that we didnt take a kicker in the later rounds.  Especially since we have all seen what happens the last two years when we seem to always lose by a fieldgoal that we missed earlier in the game.  However, I am very happy what we did in the first round but obviously they were no brainer picks.  I feel like we should have traded and got a legitimate WR in the second or third round.  We could have taken a chance on Mario Manningham who had a really good JR year.  Also Early Doucet from LSU they were saying he has as much talent as Dwayne Bowe and we saw what he did for us this year.  We needed OL and WR and we didnt get nearly the help we needed in the WR department, I would have been content drafting Earl Bennett from Vanderbilt he is the SEC leading reception leader.  So once again this year Croyle will have no where to look to throw the ball except Tony G and Dwayne Bowe.  Once again after the first round King Carl and our super "smart" coach dont get anything that will make immediate impacts.

[Bodhisatva]

Okay, after reviewing everything, here are my comments on the draft as a whole:

1) Our first two rounds could not have gone better. We got Dorsey, who is potentially the best defensive player in the draft. Our doctors cleared his leg fracture, so let us hope they are correct.

2) Branden Albert is a great pick at 15. There was not much left talent wise at OT, and we really wanted Albert anyway. I think from a character and work ethic stand point, he was a really solid pick. He's quick, especially given his size.

3) You say Flowers is a second tier player, however many analysts had him as the best CB in the draft. His physical nature and size make him an amazing pick for a cover two defense.

4) Now, I will say I was quite disappointed that we picked up a RB instead of an OT, C, DE or WR in the third round, and fully believe we could have waited on the TE until a later round, HOWEVER, after reviewing what was left at DE, OT and WR, and seeing the quality receivers we picked up later in the draft, the only disappointment I have is that we didn't grab John Sullivan C. Jamaal Charles is a home run type RB, and we did need a third RB. Given our recent track record of RB selections, and what I've read on this guy, I really like that pick now.

5) I can definetely agree that not taking a kicker in the later rounds could turn out to be a horrible move. Let's hope they have an eye on someone in free agency.

Overall, we helped ourselves a TON in this draft. We grabbed two explosive return men. We got a RB that could eventually be the next coming of Priest Holmes. We have some quality receivers to place opposite Bowe. We really strengthened our O line, though we could have used one more pick, the talent pool was really weak at G and C before the draft even started. I do NOT like that we took two TEs, one receiver type and one blocking type, however they are planning for TGs eventual retirement and replacing Jason Dunn. We really did get some nice WR steals late in the draft that made things look a lot better. If we can pick up a DE, G, OT and CB in free agency, we will be looking great. Do I agree that we didn't fill all of our holes? Most definetely. Do I believe we did the best with what remained in the draft? Yes, as much as it pains me to admit. I think Carl and Herm actually did an excellent job in the draft as a whole.

[shakitup]

the first round picks were no brainers, and giving the intelligence level of the ones making the picks, i'm shocked they didn't screw that up. however, as an earlier post already pointed out, why in gods name would you draft someone only to play them out of their position? you drafted a guard who is going to be a tackle... then in the later rounds, they drafted a tackle with the intent to change him to guard!! still no center, no defensive end help, and the cb they took in the second flowers, is too small to be a defensive back in the nfl. 5'9" is not good enough to cover receivers that AVERAGE 6'1"! its gonna be a long long season or two until arrowhead empties out and clark hunt is forced to remove these idiots... then it'll be another 3 to 4 years before a competent coach and gm can get things straightened out. call me extremely disillusioned and fed up...

[Bodhisatva]

I'll agree to leave the jury out on the line issues. However, Brandon Flowers is listed at 1 Inch shorter than Ty Law, who we all know is a future hall of famer. Height means nothing when the vertical jump is there.

[Phog]

I will stand by my points for now. Albert is a fine athlete and at least has the height of the typical 21st century tackle. However, I was listening to Len Dawson yesterday and he was saying the same thing I have been thinking. Learning to play tackle in the NFL is one of the most difficult transitions there is.  NONE of these guys are NFL players till they actually put on the pads and take snaps. I have already heard a bunch of the radio jocks making the built in excuses if this doesn't pan out. Their take is that if he does not play tackle, he will still make a superb guard so it is a built in plan B. No arguments here about him playing guard but we already need another starting tackle anyway. What is going to happen to the QB if this "tackle" can't keep him protected? I just disagree with the philosophy of intentionally drafting out of position and trying to make a project out of it. See what I mean? Instead of drafting RB and TE, I would have traded away a few of those picks and moved up to the second/third round and grabbed a few more O linemen, especially a C before the talent was dried up. Other teams recognised this and made it happen.

As to the CB, yes, I will say he is second tier. Why? Does the name Aqib Talib ring a bell? He went 20th overall. That is what happens with FIRST tier D backs. I know our guy went about #4 in the second round so he was sniffing that 1st tier round. I still don't necessarily buy it. I am a staunch hater of the cover 2 zone. I liken it to the difference between a .410 and 20 gauge shotgun. Both will kill quail but it is much harder with a .410. It throws half the shot at the target and makes it a specialist's weapon. The same is true for a CB in cover 2. You had better be ABLE to make a perfect tackle after antelope like Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, and all these lanky 6'2"-6'4" WR's that populate the league now catch the ball on a dead run.  I won't throw the guy under the bus till we see how he works out. I believe this could be the riskiest pick they made. Stopping the run is important but with the rules the way they are now, trying to chuck a guy like Bowe, Moss or others is only going to get you a lot of flags.

I won't even bother with the practice squad players they took in later rounds. With thirteen picks they SHOULD have done some trades and picked higher for O lineman. And guys, I am only joking about the kicker. NO WAY I want this brain trust trying to draft kickers.

[Bodhisatva]

I can almost guarantee the reason they took an RB in the third round was to hopefully find a second back to KOLBY SMITH, as I am almost certain they want LJ gone, and even some of our most staunch Herm haters can agree, LJ has personality issues that he needs to work out, or be traded. LJ may be an amazing RB, but if he cries like a baby all the time, I'd rather have a guy like Kolby in there with Jamaal Charles as his backup. So the RB pickup early in the third makes sense given the current coaching movement for character players willing to work hard as a team.

Now, as far as the cover 2, I agree completely. I have ALWAYS hated the cover 2. I hated it in high school when I played FS. I hate it even more now when I watch our defense consistently get beat because of it. Brandon Flowers was considered one of the Tier 1 DBs however, no matter what round he went in. As I said, he was at the top of many analysts CB lists. Aqib Talib has off field issues that our coaching staff doesn't want to deal with. Cromartie had the recent kidney issue come up and Leodis, in my opinion, showed a lack of intelligence that might make it hard for him to learn Herm's system. Hence why Brandon was rated so high with some analysts.

Now, as far as the late round picks. You may want to take a look at some of them. Read up on their combines and bios. I was quite impressed after I took the time to study them. We may have gotten a few gems in there that warranted MUCH higher picks. We shall see.

[Phog]

I hope those late round picks work out. I really do. I guess I am just flat out jaded by CP's history with this stuff. It goes back a lot further than Vermeil too. I will back the guy almost to silliness when it comes to free agents. Priest, Trent, Roaf, Wiegman, Kennison, and a bunch of O linemen over the years. He has had a few questionable deals. Yeah, I didn't like Law and especially the LJ deal. He would have been worth more than he ever will again last year before the draft. We could have easily gotten a first and second round pick. Instead, we hand him a package worth 45 million(if it all pans out)with about 20 mil in up front money. Then we boot a guy the whole team looked up to... for asking for the same respect. I also point to Warfield. Another icon of CP and his draft out of position tactics. He was a safety at Nebraska and even wondered aloud at times why he was being played at corner. It wasn't his natural position. He also got a nice free agent deal when it was obvious he was never going to be a shut down corner. Idon't know. I just don't see this franchise truly developing young talent. It has just never happened on the CP watch. Today I was listening to 810AM and they went down a laundry list of picks over the last 15 years or so. Other than Tony G and LJ, it has been pretty bad. Other than Jared Allen, almost NONE of their late round picks have ever done well. The most notable of late was Scott Fujita in 2002. He was dumped off to Dallas and now starts for New Orleans. Maybe no pro bowler but certainly starting type talent. I will have to include Darren Colquit. They wisely signed him to multi year deal after the season.

[Phog]

Okay, here is what I am talking about. Of course nothing is written in stone and it is Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Merritt_%28American_football%29

Lets see. Moved to offensive tackle or the practice squad. More out of position drafting. If I am reading his profile correctly, he caught 21 passes...for his CAREER. This is why I said down lineman or practice squad in my other post. The Koolaid drinkers were all out in full force in the days jut after the draft talking about how this guy may be the replacement for Tony G. I just have a real uneasy feeling about this team from top to bottom. This makes at least three players in this draft that will likely be played out of their normal position. Possible of course but does it strike anyone else as being just more of the same?

[Bodhisatva]

Well, if he's a really great blocker, he's a little heavy for TE and a little light for Tackle. Kind of strange, but I concede your point. Maybe he showed some blocking genius. We will have to see. Isn't the Chiefs training camp going to be televised this year?